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pasvorto
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject: Does RAW make us lazy? Reply with quote

I was reading some stuff on RAW vs JPG

http://digital-photography-school...aw-or-jpeg-which-do-you-shoot-in/

A thought came to mind (as they are want to do). When I am using my film camera, I feel that I need to be 'spot on' if possible. When I use the D40 I fell a creep of "as close as possible at the time because I can fix it later in PS".

Has the "power" of RAW editing allowed us to become a bit lazier in our technique?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

think it depends on your outlook, if you have got the time to spend on sorting images out on PC, then fine, but getting it right, even with RAW, saves an awful long time on a pc - always looking at histogram to make sure its as near as I can get it - but in times of those senior moments (to which I am now prone) I say thank heavens for RAW and PC image editing programs.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think your right to a point pasvorto, and yes it possible as made some people well I wouldn't say "lazy" more "not try as hard", but I have to agree with Dave for me time is limited so the less Post Processing I have to do the better so if I can get it right in camera all the better but if not then yes theres always Photoshop to fall back on (thank god Rolling Eyes )
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hil26 wrote:
always looking at histogram to make sure its as near as I can get it -


I try to get most of my shots "spot on" the first time, as quite honestly I have no idea how to use PS to 'fix' things. I do often shoot a lot of waste whan trying to capture 'the moment' on certain fast moving things for example.

Please can you explain the basis of the histogram, and what I ought to be looking for when using one.... thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gilly wrote:
hil26 wrote:
always looking at histogram to make sure its as near as I can get it -


I try to get most of my shots "spot on" the first time, as quite honestly I have no idea how to use PS to 'fix' things. I do often shoot a lot of waste when trying to capture 'the moment' on certain fast moving things for example.

Please can you explain the basis of the histogram, and what I ought to be looking for when using one.... thanks!


Have a look Here Gilly this should help.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks matey!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oddly enough, for someone who spends far too much time messing with images, I hate RAW because I don't enjoy processing it, so can't really comment on whether if I did shoot RAW I'd get a bit lazy. The other side of this is I would question whether a certain lack of precision because of RAW can even be considered lazy, because that's where we're at, we're in a new digital world where all is possibility. I love that. If I actualy liked processing RAW I'd probably have a whale of a time.

And another thought occurs, the camera ain't made yet that can compete with Photoshops RAW conversion power, so all the RAW Photographer is doing is cutting out a less adaquate processor.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I raised this topic elsewhere, and insights are similar.

Since I've had to shoot with a higher iso on the 200-500mm, my exposure has had to be spot on. Underexpose then draw it up in pp and the noise is appalling. PP helps, but is no replacement for good technique when shooting.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i disagree with the idea.

to get a good photo, you still have to shoot it correctly. RAW does not answer all of your prayers and even shooting on high jpeg levels are with processing are plenty good enough for say a 10x8 image.

Theres only so much that can be saved on an image if its improperly exposed etc.

RAW is the digital negative, and as they say...rubbish in rubbish out.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great responses from Carl and Richard. Good to reflect on these issues. Bottom line for me, I guess, if I want to learn to be a photographer I need to know how to use the tools of the trade effectively, and I derive a great deal of pleasure from gettting the shot I was after in the can, everything after that is something else. Just thinking about my process, I spot the shot, check the framing, set the settings. I can't imagine not wanting to learn how to use my camera effectively and always wanting to get to the next level. That's a huge part of why I enjoy this forum so much, learning more and using my camera more effectively.

What I do on the computer is about art, not photography, which is probably why I don't enjoy RAW. I think.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry been away for a while, so here is my two pennies worth, not sure you can still get two pennies in the UK being the other side of the world but anyways, my opinion on RAW vs Jpeg is well i use both, depending on the conditions, if the light is good and constant and im concerned about space on my flash cards i put the camera into Jpeg, but then if i have tricky light or just want to being a bit creative then RAW it is. Its just another tool in the toolbox. But i agree with Richard you have to have a good image to start with and no matter how much you play with the colours or exposure your not going to make it better.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

digitalkiwi wrote:
my opinion on RAW vs Jpeg is well i use both, depending on the conditions, if the light is good and constant and im concerned about space on my flash cards i put the camera into Jpeg, but then if i have tricky light or just want to being a bit creative then RAW it is. Its just another tool in the toolbox.


Exactly the place I've got to, and am delighted with some of the shots I've got that would never have happened if I'd shot JPG, just because conditions were so difficult.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One really think i like with RAW and lightroom, is that you can get some really black and whites using the colour mixer, sounds strange but you cann control how light or dark you want the reds for example to be, its pretty well i think so, lol
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I really like some of the things that Lightroom does, and since I downloaded the WOW add ons (There's a link on the site somewhere), there's a whole heap of stuff to play with.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's nothing lazy about spending hours on one photo in pp Smile I'm really lazy - I try to get it right in camera and then I don't have to do anything to it or the other 300 shots I took on a day
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point.



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